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 Tue 03 Apr 2012, 8:11 am
 
 
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 Post Subject: Council homes should not be for life, says Cameron

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/council-homes-should-not-be-for-life-says-cameron-2042597.html

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The old maxim that "an Englishman's home is his
castle" will cease to apply to thousands of young families in the near
future, if David Cameron has his way.

The Prime Minister believes that new council and housing association
tenants should be told that they can occupy their new homes only for as
long as those in authority think they need them, after which they will
be ordered to move out.

What say my new forum fellow dwellers on this?

Cameron goes on to say:

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“At the moment we have a system very much where, if you get a council
house or an affordable house, it is yours forever and in some cases
people actually hand them down to their children
. And actually it ought
to be about need,” he said.

Just who do these peasants think they are?

Unfortunately, he forgot to mention just how highly unlikely this situation is. In my experience, you're in for a fight if you think you'll just take over a tenancy when a parent dies, particularly if the property is larger then you actually need, for example. As far as I know, it has been this way for a great many years already and miraculously, hasn't solved the affordable housing shortage we have in this country.

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ab origine wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/council-homes-should-not-be-for-life-says-cameron-2042597.html

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Unfortunately, he forgot to mention just how highly unlikely this situation is. In my experience, you're in for a fight if you think you'll just take over a tenancy when a parent dies, particularly if the property is larger then you actually need, for example. As far as I know, it has been this way for a great many years already and miraculously, hasn't solved the affordable housing shortage we have in this country.
Take a look at 'The System' Episode 1 Part 3, at the beginning they show some of the old perfectly usable terrace houses in Liverpool which are going to be subjected to demolition. You can view it here.

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 Tue 03 Apr 2012, 8:45 am
 
 
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ab origine wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/council-homes-should-not-be-for-life-says-cameron-2042597.html

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Unfortunately, he forgot to mention just how highly unlikely this situation is. In my experience, you're in for a fight if you think you'll just take over a tenancy when a parent dies, particularly if the property is larger then you actually need, for example. As far as I know, it has been this way for a great many years already and miraculously, hasn't solved the affordable housing shortage we have in this country.
Take a look at 'The System' Episode 1 Part 3, at the beginning they show some of the old perfectly usable terrace houses in Liverpool which are going to be subjected to demolition. You can view it here.

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Will do. There's a whole road like that a little way from me. And you know it's only like that because the LA has made some sort of deal with a greedy developer to squeeze yet more poor souls into a certain square footage. They were perfectly servicable and all occupied until the LA intervened. They have since been sat empty for about a year so far.

Madness.

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 Tue 03 Apr 2012, 11:47 am
 
 
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Disgraceful, & part of their 'plan' for us all of course..

You don't own the car you paid for either btw. DVLA do, legally. You are just its 'registered keeper'
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Disgraceful, & part of their 'plan' for us all of course..

You don't own the car you paid for either btw. DVLA do, legally. You are just its 'registered keeper'

Don't tell em then...

What?

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diamondgeezer wrote:
Disgraceful, & part of their 'plan' for us all of course..

You don't own the car you paid for either btw. DVLA do, legally. You are just its 'registered keeper'

Don't tell em then...

What?

You might get away with driving an unregistered vehicle up in the highlands darlin'...Manchester...no fucking chance
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nettles wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
Disgraceful, & part of their 'plan' for us all of course..

You don't own the car you paid for either btw. DVLA do, legally. You are just its 'registered keeper'

Don't tell em then...

What?

You might get away with driving an unregistered vehicle up in the highlands darlin'...Manchester...no fucking chance

I used to know someone who did this for years but when he got nabbed, he got nabbed. Banned and everything.

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I used to know someone who did this for years but when he got nabbed, he got nabbed. Banned and everything.

Had mine 'SORN'ed for a while last year while getting mot work done...got it sorted, re-insured it & drove to the post office for a tax disc. 3 days later a letter from DVLA arrived saying I'd been clocked driving a declared offroad & untaxed vehicle by CCTV.

A 2 mile journey to the post office ffs!
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ab origine wrote:

I used to know someone who did this for years but when he got nabbed, he got nabbed. Banned and everything.

Had mine 'SORN'ed for a while last year while getting mot work done...got it sorted, re-insured it & drove to the post office for a tax disc. 3 days later a letter from DVLA arrived saying I'd been clocked driving a declared offroad & untaxed vehicle by CCTV.

A 2 mile journey to the post office ffs!

Serves you right for driving when you could have walked. Lazy get.

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 Post Subject: Re: Council homes should not be for life, says Cameron

i am a bit torn about this one if i am going to be honest.

Having volunteered since my mid teens for various homeless charities and centers and been homeless myself I more then understand the impact that instability in regards to your home can cause.

Where I am wobbly about the whole thing is that I do realise that housing stock is limited - particularly in high density areas and I fail to see why those who can afford to pay market rents or get a mortgage should stay in council owned, rent subsidised housing when there are still homeless on the streets and in unsuitable/unsafe housing.

My main concern is that politicians and think tanks will fuck everything up as always and people will be moved on who cannot afford to pay market rents or obtain a mortgage and that the numbers who can are actually not significant enough to make a dent in the homelessness numbers. I also worry about those who are vulnerable being moved from family, friends and roots they have established.

There are so many things that could be done to ensure that people had affordable suitable and safe housing yet successive governments seem unwilling to do them and with the return to the buy your council house scheme that is also being extended to housing association properties, coupled with the lack of jobs and huge numbers of people living on such a small island I don't hold much hope for the future.
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 Tue 03 Apr 2012, 6:04 pm
 
 
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The whole thing is a mess......nobody should have to worry about whether they will have a roof over their head or not.....but many more will do so, whether in council, housing association, private lease or home owner. A lot could be done.....but it wont be.
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 Tue 03 Apr 2012, 6:10 pm
 
 
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 Post Subject: Re: Council homes should not be for life, says Cameron

Thanks thoreau.

I can see your point. I never thought right to buy was a good idea and am a firm believer that social housing should be there for people who cannot rent or buy elsewhere.

Where I take issue with this scheme and as you have highlighted, left to their own devices la's and housing associations will be forcing more than a couple of people a year out of their properties and pefectly legally to boot.

I have never really bought that people who are in social housing prefer it to owning, tbh. Given the option, I think most people would plump for owning their own places. I'm quite sure the number that wouldn't is negligible at best. I know if I could afford it, I'd do it in a heart-beat.

As it is, I'm stuck in a fairly poor neighbourhood that suffers greatly from unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse and general anti-social behaviour. To be honest, I can't forsee a time when I'll ever be able to afford to buy my own place so for now, I'm just thankful to have a roof over my head. I certainly wouldn't appreciate someone telling me I've got to go, particularly as I've done nothing wrong, always paid my rent and because I waited about eight years for the place I have now - and those eight years were pretty hellish.

What I really take issue with is that this should be my decision and nobody elses. Perhaps if the goverment did a little more to address the other issues you mention, like private landlords charging ridiculous amounts for average properties, demand for social housing would be less. As ever, this is not being done and the people at the very bottom are being punished yet again.

It just stinks imo.

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The whole thing is a mess......nobody should have to worry about whether they will have a roof over their head or not.....but many more will do so, whether in council, housing association, private lease or home owner. A lot could be done.....but it wont be.

I agree entirely. It was a bit like a prison-sentence coming to an end when I got my tenancy. I could finally start to re-build my life and for that I'll be eternally greatful. THAT is what social housing does for people and that is exactly what it was designed to do.

What is the point of offering people a bit of security for two or five years? I simply don't understand the logic behind this scheme at all. Social housing should be available for EVERYONE and it should be available for as long as you need it. That's the point. Not for as long as someone at head-office decides you need it.

Just looks like a very slippery slope to me.

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The whole thing is a mess......nobody should have to worry about whether they will have a roof over their head or not.....but many more will do so, whether in council, housing association, private lease or home owner. A lot could be done.....but it wont be.

I agree entirely. It was a bit like a prison-sentence coming to an end when I got my tenancy. I could finally start to re-build my life and for that I'll be eternally greatful. THAT is what social housing does for people and that is exactly what it was designed to do.

What is the point of offering people a bit of security for two or five years? I simply don't understand the logic behind this scheme at all. Social housing should be available for EVERYONE and it should be available for as long as you need it. That's the point. Not for as long as someone at head-office decides you need it.

Just looks like a very slippery slope to me.

They will be acting in the same way as a private Landlord...when they say your tenancy is up it's up.....not good.

My greedy Landlady decided that this year she would only renew my tenancy for 11months instead of a year. The reason I was told by the letting agency when I enquired as to why "she's thinking about letting it out for the olympics"...she was prepared to lose a good tenant for a few weeks to make some extra money(that's if she can even find someone, because so many people are trying to do the same) As soon as I was made aware of this, I decided that it was the push I needed to get out of London. I can get a place of the same standard for half the money in Kent.
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Go for it pheony and good luck to you!

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Go for it pheony and good luck to you!

Thankyou.....I'm really looking forward to it. Smile
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Yeah so everyone has to be connected to the bank. Tossers.
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Yeah so everyone has to be connected to the bank. Tossers.

True enough. I suppose there's just not enough money in providing services for people who really need them any more. You only have to look at what they are trying to do to the "safety net" that is the benefit system.

Don't get me wrong, I can see the pitfalls of becoming over-reliant on 'the state' but the fact is, things are pretty shitty out there, mostly by design, which is why these precautions and measures were necessary in the first place. From what I can see, things are still pretty shitty out there, and this lot seem determined to make things worse for those that are already suffering.


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 Thu 05 Apr 2012, 10:03 am
 
 
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I detest what the government is doing (all parties)

Council houses in decent areas are few and far between now thanks to the 'right to buy scheme'

Housing in this country is a disgrace. There are vast numbers of private let properties sitting empty and people having 'holiday' homes that get occupied for maybe 4 weeks of the year.

People having one extra bedroom in a council house is small fry compared to the above.
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 Thu 05 Apr 2012, 10:29 am
 
 
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I just found out the flat next to me which was built by my local authority in the 50s was sold via right to buy some years ago and is now being leased back to either the very local authority that sold it, or a housing association, to house someone on the housing waiting list. And probably for a great deal more than it would have cost them to hold on to the flat in the first place.

If I were trying to describe this whole set-up to an extra-terrestrial they would probably think I was bonkers.

This whole notion of social housing being so expensive to maintain and a drain on the economy is complete nonsense. Anyone who can do a bit of basic maths should be able to work out that those big housing developments of the past have more or less paid for themselves ten times over within a few decades, even at reduced 'social' rents.

That was the point.

It's all a big con at the end of the day.

In the same vein, people moaning about having to pay towards the council tax of those that are unfortunate enough to have to be claiming something to live on, fail to even consider who actually gets that money. It certainly isn't the claimant. Come to think of it, who do they think is pocketing the housing benefit too? If you were of a sceptical nature, you might recognise the whole scheme as being rather a lucrative (and completely legal) money circulating swizz in the long-run.

FFS, I just wish people would think about this stuff before cheering along with everything the government says or does.

I'm in a bit of a mood today. Can you tell?

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I hear you.

Housing Association rent seem to being increasing too if I'm correct, and are nudging closer to private rents (albeit still lower but the gap is narrowing not staying static)

I particularly don't like their stance on not passing on tenancies.

I'm not suggesting it should be automatic however a pal of mine stayed living at home to care for his mum (ailing health) and his older brother with downs syndrome and when the mum died the council wouldn't let him take over the tenancy and let him and his brother stay there.

The brother was put into some sort of specialist supported accommodation with a 24 hour support worker (much more costly I would imagine) and had to leave his home and his brother right after losing his mum.

Total lack of common sense
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thats a horrible story Sad

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thats a horrible story Sad

Not uncommon, unfortunately. I knew someone who went through similar. Lived in the same house with his parents his whole life and stayed on to care for his mother who had cancer. Within a few weeks of her death he was quite unceremoniously asked to leave and because he was of working age, single and apparently healthy, was told he could join the housing list but would probably have to wait some years as he was not a priority.

Like I said, dunno what Cameron is spouting on about as it's been this way for some years already. He's obviously just trying to drum up support for the newest of his diabolical schemes, imo.

"Look over here at these lazy scroungers, they're getting more than you and you're paying for it (although technically, all the money we scuzz off of you in taxes actually winds up back in our pockets via council tax and housing benefit). It's their fault there isn't enough affordable housing for everyone. It's their fault that private landlords are free to charge ridiculous rents. It's their fault that your average young person in Britain is struggling financially and may well never get to own their own property. It's their fault we never channelled all that money from the sale of our social housing stock back into replacing it. Let's get 'em! Look into the eyes, don't look around the eyes, look into the eyes".

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Cor blimey - I'm a bit "ranty" today.

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No I am too so I'll join you in the rant

My son's 18 and him and his girlfriend , also 18 live with me and some days I just think 'how are they ment to get started in life and get their own place'


He is a student and she's unemployed and they are both trying to get work but nothing is happening

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