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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 1:37 pm
 
 
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Hello all...

I am becoming increasingly frustrated about the world around me, on the odd occassions that I actually pay any attention to it.

I really don't know what the "cloud" is or will be, but my understanding is that it is a method of storing all your information in "the ether", as it were, dispensing of things like hard-copies and disks and so on.

Is is just because I am of a certain age, or do others not see the danger in this? It seems to me, when I speak to others about the whole thing, they're all for it.

Like the "Kindle" phenomena, I know it's trendy and looks cool and all that guff, but I'd much rather have the physical book, and be able to read it and touch it whenever I pleased. I can also appreciate (and I understand it has recently been proven) that by indulging myself in such technology, I'm basically handing over my right to with what I will with any physical property, when I want to.

Similarly...there is a new trend of doing everything "online" which I am extremely wary of. I don't watch TV but do enjoy my films. We all need a healthy dose of subliminals once in a while, after all. I currently have quite a large collection. Although I am now nowhere near any stores that specialise in selling dvds and cds (you might summise as if actually by design) I still like to purchase a physical copy of said films to watch when I please. A friend of mine was telling me all about "Netflix" and the likes, and I was astonished. Am I correct in assuming that you are effectively renting a film for a limited period from this company, like you used to do with the likes of Blockbuster?

Again, sounds like a good idea on paper, but why must everything increasingly be reliant on the internet? What happens if the internet goes down one day? Following this thinking through to the nth degree, will we one day live in a world where we no longer "need" physical things like files, books, cds, dvds etc? And if so, who actually owns that "stuff" that we have paid for? What happens to it if the internet "breaks"? Who else has access to our "stuff" and who ultimately "owns" what we have paid for/are renting etc?

Added to that, because this is all done online, paying with old-fashioned cash is not possible. What happens to all those who don't want to/can't use the internet? Further, unlike a supply of actual physical money, is it not possible, theoretically, to "turn off" someone's bank account if they're naughty? Who else has acces to this information?

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for technology that enhances the lives of people, but this stuff appears to me to be increasingly nefarious. And I, at the very least, would like to have a choice in how and when I do things, like paying for goods for example.

Have I got this all wrong? If you are a fan, what are the advantages/what am I missing?

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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 1:52 pm
 
 
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i am fairly anti-influence and extremely anti-media...i threw my tv away years ago...television either puts me to sleep or in a bad mood in under 30 minutes. movies are quite the same. never been a big reader...so i don't necessarily have the same problems as you but i do share the same sentiment as you!

i think people are becoming sooo dependent upon the internet these days. i know countless people who use netflix and think it's the tits! sit on your ass while you finger out what you're gonna sit on your ass and watch. i live in america (please don't burn me for it ) so most people around me are extremely lazy. it's all about convenience. and yes...netflix would be the same as renting a movie from the store.

as for the cloud info storage...i think it's a horrible idea. if the internet ever did go down, i have a feeling it'd be only because the civilized world has failed. but just the idea of my "belongings" not being in my possession makes me weary.

those in the ivory tower know that humans are lazy, stupid creatures by nature so they will exploit it anyway they can...so why not make people dependent upon them to store their "belongings", too...then they could blackmail you anyway they wanted to to get your "belongings" or access them and do whatever they would like to do to them.

i love technology...it's phuggin awesome...yet it is sooo detrimental to our species in as many ways as it is beneficial!

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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 1:58 pm
 
 
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Like I said, I don't tend to pay too much attention to the world around me, if I can help it.

It means people tend to look at me like some sort of alien at times, but I'm much the happier for it!

This is starting to effect my "personal bubble" now though, as increasingly it feels as if I am losing any choice in the matter. And it seems to have happened so quickly. Goodness only knows how things will be in five years, yet alone ten.

The kindle thing really pissed me off, as I reckon it'd be quite easy for actual text and meaning to be "fiddled" with without too many people even noticing.

That some scary sh*t!

EDIT: Added to that, in the event of power-failure..."gee...I wish I had some books still lying about here". Duh.

Don't apologise for being "American" either. Besides, you're not really. Just happens to be where your physical body is at the moment. You always have and always will be a human first and foremost.


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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 2:07 pm
 
 
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i'm in my late 20s...so technology should come natural to me...when i tell people my age i don't watch tv, they look at me like i'm batshit crazy...they ask "well then what do you do?"...so i know how it feels to feel alienated by technology and the likes.

interesting point you bring up about them fiddling with th actual texts of the books...never even thought about it like that. hey...it's easy to push an agenda when no one knows any better, right?

technology is quickly changing, indeed. 5-10 years? did you know that they have already made a cell phone that is like a little clip that you place on your shirt or something and then kinda click it to make it turn on...and it then projects the phone into thin air right in front of you? you punch the keys by pushing the image that is floating in the air? very very starwars like shit. it's retarded expensive right now so it's nowhere near the consumer market...but it has already been created...i'd say in 5-10 years, your cellphone will be a little projector attached to your clothing or desk or wherever you see fit.

the bigger the beast is, the faster it grows...

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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 2:13 pm
 
 
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loudmouth wrote:
i'm in my late 20s...so technology should come natural to me...when i tell people my age i don't watch tv, they look at me like i'm batshit crazy...they ask "well then what do you do?"...so i know how it feels to feel alienated by technology and the likes.

interesting point you bring up about them fiddling with th actual texts of the books...never even thought about it like that. hey...it's easy to push an agenda when no one knows any better, right?

technology is quickly changing, indeed. 5-10 years? did you know that they have already made a cell phone that is like a little clip that you place on your shirt or something and then kinda click it to make it turn on...and it then projects the phone into thin air right in front of you? you punch the keys by pushing the image that is floating in the air? very very starwars like shit. it's retarded expensive right now so it's nowhere near the consumer market...but it has already been created...i'd say in 5-10 years, your cellphone will be a little projector attached to your clothing or desk or wherever you see fit.

the bigger the beast is, the faster it grows...

Got rid of that last year too. My reasoning is, if I'm not sat at home next to my landline, you simply can't talk to me. It worked perfectly well for my parents and grandparents, and before that, you could pretty much only talk to someone if they were in the room there with you! Imagine that?

Sometimes, just for kicks, I don't even answer the landline. That really seems to piss people off.


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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 2:50 pm
 
 
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It's all part of what I call the Digital Fascist Technocracy, IMO. That's where I see all this heading. I've been talking about this for a few years now, I did a couple of threads over on Icke, Erosion Of Ownership, Electronic Book Readers, The Digital Revolution: Progress or Control.
I share the same concerns about not having the hard copy, everything tracked and monitored, and perhaps even censored. We had that Amazon Kindle thing recently, People paid for, and downloaded Orwell's 1984, only to find that the next day it had been removed from their devices by Amazon! So that goes to show what they can do if they "don't like" certain books, etc.

I see it as a kind of Digital Ministry Of Truth, that's where I think it's going, unfortunately. The technology is fantastic, but in the hands of the control system, very, very bad for freedom.
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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 2:54 pm
 
 
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irrepressible wrote:
It's all part of what I call the Digital Fascist Technocracy, IMO. That's where I see all this heading. I've been talking about this for a few years now, I did a couple of threads over on Icke, Erosion Of Ownership, Electronic Book Readers, The Digital Revolution: Progress or Control.
I share the same concerns about not having the hard copy, everything tracked and monitored, and perhaps even censored. We had that Amazon Kindle thing recently, People paid for, and downloaded Orwell's 1984, only to find that the next day it had been removed from their devices by Amazon! So that goes to show what they can do if they "don't like" certain books, etc.

I see it as a kind of Digital Ministry Of Truth, that's where I think it's going, unfortunately. The technology is fantastic, but in the hands of the control system, very, very bad for freedom.

Nicely put irre. Thing is, if people didn't buy into it, I suppose they'd have to stop selling it.

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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 2:59 pm
 
 
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People are buying into it simply because they can't see the potential danger, or even know about the NWO/control system unfortunately.
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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 3:01 pm
 
 
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Here is my OP.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059786406&postcount=1

Nobody seemed bothered really
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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 3:02 pm
 
 
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irrepressible wrote:
People are buying into it simply because they can't see the potential danger, or even know about the NWO/control system unfortunately.

True enough, but surely if you can see further than the end of your nose, you must be able to see the pitfalls here?

Like I said, the world will do what it will but it's starting to effect me now. Me no likey.

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irrepressible wrote:
Here is my OP.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059786406&postcount=1

Nobody seemed bothered really

Thanks irre.

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 Sat 31 Mar 2012, 3:08 pm
 
 
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Here is a link to my Electronic Book Readers thread. If you want to skim over that. There's a link to a programme about it, and some other interesting stuff on the last few pages. Smile

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=146914
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irrepressible wrote:
Here is a link to my Electronic Book Readers thread. If you want to skim over that. There's a link to a programme about it, and some other interesting stuff on the last few pages. Smile

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=146914

Will do. Ta muchly.

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